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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Today I have done a clean install of the latest v4.0 Beta & haven't modified any settings. v4 is stumbling over displaying PEF thumbnails in the Browser indicating an error initially before finally & belatedly displaying the thumbnail. Ian.
Ian Macdonald
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 186
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

The browser first tries to extract a thumbnail from the image. If it doesn't find one, it then opens the image and resamples it, which obviously takes longer. What you are seeing is an error after the first step, which probaby should be supressed.

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Even when it doesn't have a problem creating thumbnails from PEF files PWP is awfully slow whereas RawShooter zips through the process. Regards, Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 192
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

Can you send me a sample file, so I can figure out why. In general PW is very fast at generating thumbnails.

You can e-mail me at ksinkel@dl-c.com

Thanks,

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

It's on the way Kiril - at about 15Mb it's lucky I now have broadband :-) Regards, Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 193
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

Thank you -- I received the image. The name under which I received it was IMGP4058.pef.tif.

With the tiff extension I got an error reading the file. Once I stripped off the tif extension, the thumbnail opened immediately and the file opened normally in PWP.

Where did the tif extension come from? The file is clearly a raw file and should have the proper raw extension.
Some cameras have used .tif or .jpeg extensions on their raw files so that non-raw software could extract thumbnails. However, that makes the file ambiguous, as in this case. So if the .tif extension is added by the camera, I would suggest checking to see if there is an option for naming raw files unambiguously as .pef -- the actual type of the file.

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Kiril, I checked the confirmatory email I received from "yousendit" & there was no TIF extension. Just IMGP4058.PEF so I don't know where the TIF came from.
Regards,
Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 194
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

With the file named IMGP4058.PEF, I see no problem either in browse of in opening the full raw file in Picture Window. The thumb is extracted immediately. I guess I am not able to reproduce the problem you were seeing.

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

It seems to be when browsing files on CD.
Another behaviour I've noticed is when selecting images from the browser display by holding down Ctrl key & clicking them with the mouse the behaviour is quite erratic. Ctrl-click will frequently deselect all selected images.
Regards,
Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 197
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

Picture Window handles all drives in the same way -- there is no difference between CD and non-CD reading code. In general, if a drive is a=having trouble reading a disk, the longer the file the more chances there are that some section of the file will be marginal and require many re-reads.

I tried control-clicking and could not get it to cancel a selection as long as I clicked within the thumbnail area. Clicking in a clear area does cancel all selected images.

Perhaps it makes sense to redefine that and make control click in a clear area do nothing.

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I was sure I was clicking on the thumbnail but I might be wrong.
Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 199
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I have made control clicking on a clear area a no-op -- it now has no affect on the selection. Clicking or shift-clicking on a clear area still cancels the selection, as before.

I also improved the recently browsed folders drop-down list. It now shows the full pathnames of the folders, even if the browse window is made narrow.

Kiril
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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 53
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Shift-click & Ctrl-click (definitely on the thumbnail) both exhibit the same problem as I've just now tried both.
Ian.
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Kiril Sinkel
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Username: Ksinkel

Post Number: 200
Registered: 08-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Ian,

I have tried again and I cannot get it to fail. Is there a particular sequence of operations which fails? If so, please send me a sequence that causes this.

Another possibility is a stcking or intermittent control key.

Kiril

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Ian Macdonald
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Username: Wolli

Post Number: 54
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

It appears to occur when I'm manually selecting all thumbnails. I've noticed that when the thumbnails deselect there is a brief (way too rapid to read) message flashed on the screen. This happened with the 5/Apr beta as well.
Regards,
Ian.
Ian Macdonald

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